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If I told you that a group of people were protesting the construction of a Holocaust Memorial in Ohio, you'd probably assume that they were the Ku Klux Klan or Stormfront or any other white supremacist hate group.

But the actual protesters are people who are infamous for being far more militant and hateful: anti-theists!
An atheist group that is known for targeting supposed violations of the separation between church and state recently protested a Holocaust memorial because the monument plans to feature a Star of David.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, or FFRF, has stated its opposition to the proposed Ohio Statehouse Holocaust memorial because its leaders believe that including the religious symbol would create "legal precedent."

The co-presidents of the FFRF, Don Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, wrote a letter to Richard Finan, chair of the Capitol Square Review and Advisory Board about the proposed memorial, The Blaze reported.
"Permitting one permanent sectarian and exclusionary religious symbol ... would create the legal precedent, for instance, to place an equally large or larger permanent Latin cross on Capitol grounds," they wrote. The group maintains that they have an issue with including the star because it is associated with Judaism but have no problem with a Holocaust museum at the capitol.

"The monument could resemble numerous powerful war memorials across the U.S. which do not use any sectarian images, including the national World War II Memorial, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and the Korean War Veterans Memorial," the letter continued. "Each is secular in nature and without religious reference, which offends no one and is respected by all."

The architect who is involved with the project, Daniel Libeskind, purposefully included the star because he says that "one cannot separate the Holocaust from the star."
You know, its takes a special type of ass:iconfluttershysqueeplz: to halt construction of a Holocaust memorial just because it has the symbol of the people who lost their lives during that dark moment in human history.

And yes, before anyone lectures me on the Constitution, I do realize that separation of church and state does exist. But let's get real here: the whole point of church/state separation is to prevent an official state religion from being established, and considering that no such state religion exists, church/state separation seems to be doing its job.

There is no reason to believe that religion is being endorsed through this memorial. Most sane people are not going to look at the Star of David on it and assume that Ohio has established Judaism as its state religion; they are going to look at it and realize that Ohio is honoring the Jews who lost their lives during the Holocaust.

FFRF and similar anti-theist organizations like American Atheists do not care about church/state separation. They only care about eliminating religion from society, and they seek to do so by purging even the slightest trace of religious imagery from the public square through the guise of protecting church/state separation. These are people who would gladly sue a public school because a teacher dared to tell a sneezing student "God Bless You!"

Sounds farfetched?

FFRF once protested a Mother Teresa commemorative postage stamp because they felt it was a government endorsement of Catholicism--you know, rather than of her humanitarian efforts! Never mind, of course, that the post office has honored other religious figures such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X, and Father Flanagan, for their humanitarian efforts, Mother Teresa is clearly different because--well--um--she's a woman!

And American Atheists is the infamous group that filed a lawsuit (and lost) against the 9/11 cross--which was a pair of crossbeams discovered in the form of the cross among the ruins--being displayed in a public WTC memorial, claiming that it would have been an endorsement of Christianity. That is absurd! The cross is clearly an artifact of cultural significance. Arguing that it would be a religious endorsement to display the cross at a public memorial is akin to arguing that displaying The Last Supper in a public art museum is a religious endorsement.

Yes, we need to preserve church/state separation, but it needs to be done with common sense, which is something that these anti-theists clearly lack. And can you blame them? Anyone who believes with militant fervor that, to quote Trey Parker, "there's this big giant universe and it's expanding and it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause...just 'cause'" is clearly lacking common sense. And logic. And reason. And evidence.
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Why does America like to capitalize on the holocaust so much? There's so much books, movies, TV shows, wouldn't be surprised if there was a game or two and etc. Why shove this single event down everyone's throat so much?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because it was horrible and inexcusable and should never, ever happen again.
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
So were a lot of other events in history but why does the holocaust get special treatment?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because it was genocide. What other reason is there?
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
How about better awareness for other genocides so the victims can be better remembered.
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Level0Hero Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014
Like the Armenian genocide? My state of California tried to get a bill passed that would make teaching the Armenian genocide a requirement in world history classes. Not sure if it passed or not. Hopefully it did because it's a disgusting, but important part in history that should be learned.
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PrincessElemix Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2014
Exactly.
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davidsobe Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I believe in keeping government at bay and out of our lives and decision-making. I think that courts stepping in and deciding whether a couple of crossbeams can be allowed to meet at the 9/11 site or where and if a Holocaust memorial is permissible is going beyond the limits imposed by the Constitution.  Having said that, I think being too accommodating can be problematic as well.  Allowing for a mosque to be built adjacent to the 9/11 site is offensive.  For that matter, while on the subject of the Holocaust, I think the placing of gigantic crosses by the Catholic Church on the site of the major concentration camps in Europe (so that shadows fall across the camp) is also offensive and even a bit sinister.  I think that maximum happiness and peace and contentment will be had when both government and religion are kept at bay -- their adherents are presumptuous and seem to have no boundaries.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Keep the busybodies at bay and their noses out of their business!
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
You know, I looked into this. And guess what? The FFRF actually made a really decent point, aside from religion not being allowed favour on public ground:

The holocaust was not just a slaughter of jews. It was a slaughter of everyone the nazis didn't like. If there's going to be a monument to its victims, then it needs to be not just a star of david- it needs to be a symbol for homosexuals, gypsies, communists, the mentally handicapped- every undesirable Hitler saw fit to exterminate. Not only is it a violation of the separation of church and state, it brushes over a vast group of other victims as well. It was a tragedy for many, not for just one minority.
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So long the violence is liberal it's okay? Really the USA refused to recognize the damn holocaust until after the camps were liberated so for over 6 years we let Jews and undesirables die and now that the government wants to apologize for its antisematic views that's the time you want cry church and state? And if that means violence it's okay too be violent because they are liberals and if a liberal rapes murders and such it's a good thing like that left wing douche bag of the splc who murdered 15 people.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Uh, no. That's really, really not what I was saying. Stop letting your political bias rule the way you approach debate. 

And I also don't see how any of what you mention relates to the situation here, today. Like, at all. So the US, you claim, didn't initially recognise the holocaust? So what? What does that have to do with a holocaust memorial being dedicated to jews only, when it should be for everyone who suffered from it? 
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Most holocuast victims were Jews or people who helped them so why not feel bad for primary victims of a German genoicide and honor them. I mean really the primary victims should be recognized not those we prefer.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
Most, but not all. It was no small sum of political prisoners, homosexuals, mentally disabled etc etc who were killed, and they too deserve recognition.
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Is it really unfair since the people making the memorial are Jews? 
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014
They if anyone should know importance of emphasising the consequences of persecution- for all.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If that was really the angle they were going for, I could see their point, but considering this is a group of militant atheists, I can only assume it's a facade for their real agenda.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
I just gave you a genuine angle, one that was stated by the FFRF themselves in the article about this, but you assume since they are atheists they have to have an agenda? They even said that if this wasn't public land, they'd probably donate to it themselves.
"Militant", my rear end. Militants hurt others, physically and badly, to achieve their means. Militant christians murder abortion doctors; militant muslims blow people up. If making law suits, within the confines of the law, makes an atheist militant, then there's no wonder they're fed up.

What, might I ask, is their "real agenda"?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You read my post, right?
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CrimsonFALKE Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think he did they rare do any reading ever notice how many pictures they post?
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
What, that they "only care about eliminating religion"? As opposed to, you know, keeping it secular- religiously neutral- which is the point of all their lawsuits? If you make an accusation like that, you damn well better be able to back it up. For christ's sake, they have a legitimate reason- and you just assume that nope, there's no way they could be up to any good.
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namezong Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013
well, at least they not only attackchristianity like nost anitheists do.
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CowboyRodent Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013
Wow there's idiots on both sides apparently, although to be fair mother theresa protests should be a thing.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Really then?
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CowboyRodent Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013
Go deeper into her supposed humanitarian efforts and you get borderline torture.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Am I the only one unsurprised by the fact that this militant atheist group's name sounds like an acronym for the sound of a fart? >_>

*FFRF!*

Yeesh...

These folks just never seem to quit. One could argue that there's a staggering level of unfairness in the ratio of buildings with religious iconography to non-religious buildings and structures.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL! I never thought of it like that! Now I'm going to think of Dan Barker and Annie Gaylor farting up a storm.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Do you know of Madeline Murray-O'Hare?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh yes, the crank old git who started this whole debacle.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Horrible, horrible person, that one...
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
She was a Communist who instigated Engal v. Vitale, yes?
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yup. And she died, chopped to pieces and buried, because she cheated someone out of a cut in a big embezzling scam SHE was running with the American Atheists group she'd formed as well as using financial piracy to take over other atheist groups.

Class act, this woman.

But anyway, my mother actually met her once when she was working at the DMV! She said she was the most unpleasant, foul, obnoxious and hateful person she'd ever seen. And because my mother was being harassed, the security escorted O'Hare out. She came back the next day, wanting mom's blood and got kicked out again.

So yeah, all those nasty things you hear about O'Hare...

Absolute truth >_>

And go FIGURE! The woman who preached against having a moral compass was a corrupt, evil, monstrous bag of evil.

The one family member who's still alive, well and happy today?

Her son, who she severed all legal and familial ties to when he became a born-again Christian.

The real kicker though?

BECAUSE he was severed from the family, all of his mother's debts when she was declared dead, did NOT fall on him :D

They say God works in mysterious ways?

Well I respectfully disagree ^_^
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MobileSuitSonic Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And they dismiss all religious people as fanatics while they pull off the same shit as WBC.

OOPS! I forgot! WBC spreads hate and the FFRF spreads "logic"!
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Starlow-FTW Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
Stalin would be proud.  This is just embarrassing and frankly, they should be ashamed.  I don't know whether to brand their nonsense as paranoia, stupidity, or an active attempt at stamping out any possible religious reference that they can. 
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd say all three.
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SingABrightSong Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Let's take "freedom of = freedom from" to its logical extreme, and apply it to the rest of the First Amendment. Freedom of speech = freedom from speech, or in other words, "I am entitled to not hear anything that disagrees with me! La la la, I'M NOT LISTENING!!" . Sums up libtards quite nicely, if I do say so myself.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And they claim conservatives are sociopaths!
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Starstoryteller Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
Something else I thought about and forgot to mention.

I think what made it worse was the fact for a lot of Jews the "star of David" wasn't just used religion it was used as a marker to say "you are a Jew". They where pined with a star with the word "Jud" inside (kinda like the pink triangle for gays) and they reclaimed it as Jew Power symbol....Gosh this sounds weird. 

Anyway FFRF was quite insensitive to say the least. 
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes! It's both a religious symbol AND a symbol of a group of people. Context is always key!
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Maurisaeth Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Obviously the Freedom From Religion Foundation is wrong on this issue. I wonder if they've ever read the rest of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof [of religion]". But the whole "Holocaust industry" really bothers me and I see the constant creation of new memorials like this one in Ohio, movies, public projects etc. about the Holocaust as part of that industry.
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I slightly have to agree with :iconlordthawkeye: here. Most tragedies tend to be milked for the wrong reasons. Columbine and other school shootings are exploited for more gun control. 9/11 has been exploited for the War on Terror. And the Holocaust has been exploited for...um...something.
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Maurisaeth Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
In order to justify Israel's frequently harsh and violent treatment of Palestinians, as Norman Finkelstein has explained.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013

I'm not sure about this- but the FFRF is right that if you give a precedent for allowing religion on public domain, then the separation of church and state weakens.

 

Oh, and on mother teresa- I think C. Hitchens put it best: "Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty."

Mother Teresa wasn't a humanitarian Saint, and protesting her is wholly justified. She wanted people to suffer, to ave catholicism forced on them, and whatever good she did was done along with all the evils of the catholic Church.

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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no reason to believe this monument weakens church/state separation. The Star of David on this monument is not endorsing Judaism, it's representing the Jews who died in the Holocaust. Context is key to understanding these things.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
Is it on public ground or not?
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grimdrifter Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
That's the problem with the concept of "public ground". I have a very simple solution, abolish the farce known as "public property", abolish the state.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
No thanks, I'm not into naive fantasies.
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grimdrifter Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
Not interested. I've got better things to do with my time than to watch forty minutes of anarchist propaganda.
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Mike-the-cat Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, but you have a big boner for censorship of the religious, socialist health care, and gun control, and you show fudged statistics to prove your point.  Who's the one into naive fantasies?
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